Time to have Paul Piantone and the hyper-ignorant West Norriton residents to raise their objections to the YMCA project. Clearly the purpose of this project is to have potential patrons urinate in Paul Piantone's backyard and break into West Norriton residents' homes.

Come on Paul, speak out.. let's hear your ignorance out loud.

Perhaps, Paul Piantone, you can make the argument that West Norriton residents should boycott the YMCA at Shannondell because it is nothing more than a ruse to ruin West Norriton.

Paul, you know, this should be a Lower Providence only facility. You know what I mean Paul?

West Norriton had the opportunity to get this facility, and blew it. As a Lower Providence resident I am THRILLED with this. Let's get it done!!!!

Prospective YMCA members should be required to provide photo ID; West Norriton residents excluded from membership.

I agreee that this is the right location for such a facility, instead of a semi private golf course, have something all the residents can use. Not just the rich and hoity toity.

For 40+ years, there was a facility of almost exactly the same footprint on this parcel. The vast amount of the space is remaining open. No residential neighbors are affected, as the plan has the building nearest the Rittenhouse/Egypt intersection. Very few trees are affected by this. Are you a traffic engineer? Can you tell me the impact of this new road? The impact of the planned addition of a new 422 West ramp from Trooper Road? The impact of the planned addition of another lane over the river at Trooper Rd on 422 East? This township approved Shannondell. Which took the bucolic Shannondell farm, and turned it into a small city. The Y will be an actual resource for this community. If there were plenty of other resources available to build on, the Y would go there. BUT, there isn't. Not in the real world. Remember, if naysayers and NIMBY's like yourself take your exceptionally vocal minority voice, and get this project shot down, it will be gone forever. Just ask the residents of West Norriton, who could have had this Y, and ended up with nothing.

This is great debate and dialogue. The space across Rittenhouse may be "brown space", but it certainly isn't usable. First, it's got buildings all over it. Second, it's not owned by Lower Providence township. Third, the Y has proof points that Y facilities are most effective and popular on 15-20 acres of open space, which this plot provides, and nothing (outside of bulldozing half the industrial park) that area provides. Fourth, looking to get land acquired, buildings razed, environmental impact studies complete, zoning changed and all the other hurdles that would be faced in the LP Industrial complex means that the Y would never get built.

As to Shannondell, I sincerely doubt there is any Lower Providence resident that would not want that land back - but how would we pay for it? Shannondell added a tax base, without adding students to Methacton and plenty of employees for earned income tax. I don't know if LP is better or worse because of it, quite frankly. But at least a Y would be development that would directly be good for LP in my opinion, and to get it, the proposed location can make it happen.

"I don't want residents to have that same regret when they see the height of the Y property right next to their homes" There are a grand total of ZERO neighbors next to the proposed Y. None. Nada. Zilch. Completely bordered by Rittenhouse, Egypt and an extended Crawford Road. With the setback, it would be barely visible by the handful of homes across Egypt Road.

This township approved Shannondell. This township turned away the American Revolution Center. Who knows what the Board of Supervisors will do here.

LP was supposed to meet with the Mont. County Planning Commission last week to propose their land swap idea. It will then have to go before the county open space board and then to the county commissioners. I'm sure the open space board will approve it. What I don't understand is why we aren't selling this land to the YMCA for several million dollars. Why are we leasing it for peanuts? Something smells fishy as usual.