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Poll: Who Won the Second Presidential Debate?

The second presidential debate was about domestic policy. Who do you think won the debate? Obama or Romney?

 

 

In a town hall format, President Obama and Governor Romney squared off in the second presidential debate.

In the first debate, Romney was awarded the victory in Patch polls. How was this debate compared to the first?

Who won?

  • Who won the second presidential debate?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • Obama
        168 (51%)
    • Romney
        158 (48%)
    Total votes: 326
  • Your vote will only count once. This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
Related Topics: October 16 Presidential Debate, Presidential Debate, and participate 2012

Earnest

10:54 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

President Obama did an excellent job tonight. Governor Romney did not fair well he was condescending in his answer about women with respect to equal pay.

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Moe

9:41 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

"In what new ways do you intend to rectify the inequalities in the workplace, specifically regarding females making only 72 percent of what their male counterparts earn?" The false premise from a member of the audience was especially egregious because her question had been selected in advance by the moderator. The supposed wage gap between men and women for the same work is largely a myth. As Diana Furchtgott-Roth pointed out: "Women make about 95 percent of what their male counterparts earn, if the male counterparts are in the same job with the same experience."

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Andrea405

9:16 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Wrong again, lib. Even his former staff are coming forward with problems working with Obama- this is from the Washington Post. Don't call it the paper a hack, and be dismissive. Here's the link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/suskind-book-female-advisers-in-obama-white-house-sidelined-and-ignored/2011/09/16/gIQAAOSSXK_print.html

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Mike Shortall

10:57 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

It was nice to see the President awake and alert for an entire 90 minutes! And I think he won on points, although not nearly by the TKO Romney scored in Debate #1.

I had the President well ahead on points until the one questioner related how he had voted for Obama in 2008, but was disappointed. That question opened the door for Mitt Romney to frame the failures of the Obama presidency over the last four years. It was a nice comeback chance that Romney did not miss.

Romney did miss on the Libya question, and definitely could have hit the President harder there on why his Administration failed to anticipate the attacks, did not listen to even the Libyans themselves who had warned of impending violence, or simply failed to recognize the potential for such violence in that region on the 9-11 anniversary.

In the end, I'll give the President a "W" he desperately needed. Refreshing what losing a big campaign lead can do to wake up and focus the attention of an incumbent!

On the other hand, Mitt Romney has already proven in the first debate he's not the boogeyman that Democrats and liberals tried to make him out to be. He's already established his temperament for leadership and his bona fides for The Oval Office.

Let' see who wins he rubber match!

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Andrea405

11:11 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Look, I'm the first to say I'm a big Romney fan and this debate may be a tie because Obama found out he's not going to get any hand holding and must be prepared. Having stated that, Romney is presidential, poised, confident and mature. Obama does have poise but he's the arrogant, easily irritated person. He's got a mean streak

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kevin

11:10 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

What part of Romney seems presidential? When he repeatedly barks the same pointless question at Obama ("do you check your pension? do you check your pension?") or when tells the President to "wait a minute you'll have your chance to speak". He's classless, but anyone who is dim enough to believe his constant lies wouldn't recognize classlessness when they see it anyway.

mike jenny

11:19 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

I am not for romney or obama but I think when romney says that he gonna cut financial aid he don t deserve to be president ans tonight obama win that s it

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rob ph

8:16 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

why should others pay for your financial aid? I paid for my own college with loans and work. We dont have any money. We have to borrow to pay for your financial aid. How long can it go on?

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Moe

9:51 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Obama gave you a phone too, huh?

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KevinP

8:40 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012

Student loans are considered financial aid. It's not coming out of anyone's pocket but the student.

The Illuminati

11:27 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Bottom line is this: the past four years have been an epic failure. Obama made numerous promises that he did not keep (reducing the deficit, unemployment to under 6%, balance the budget.. etc). I don't understand how we as a nation can just give him a mulligan and say "well, you lied to us before but we will give you a second chance". It makes no sense to me.Romney mad clear and concise argument as to how this president has failed and more importantly how he intends to fix it. He also explained how his economic policy is not like GW Bushes policies.

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CJ

12:19 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

You do realize that some of those 'promises' he made were before the economic crisis really set in? Who could have predicted before the election in 2008 that the unemployment rate would skyrocket to 10% when it was still under 7% when the election was held. Budget and deficit pretty much go hand-in-hand and how do you expect a reduction with 2 wars and a HUGE recession with jobs dropping across the board? I'm sorry, but if you really look at the actual numbers that are ALL OVER and extrapolate for YOURSELF, it's hard to blame someone for what was in a massive decline 2 months before his job started and has brought back to almost where we were in terms of jobs. The high unemployment was at 10.1% in Oct. 2009 (less than 1 year from the beginning of his term) and is now back to 7.8 (where it was when he started his term). You're telling me in a MASSIVE recession that a reduction in unemployment of 2.3% is not good enough? Is there someone else in the history of any country going through what we have that has done better in less than 4 years?

The deficit will take longer - read history books and take into account inflation, spending on defense/wars; getting budgets through a Congress that has been quoted almost monthly as saying their plan is to block anything from the Oval office and modern economies across the globe. This is not a problem that will be solved in the next 10 years!! What we can hope for is a continuation of the progress that has been made!

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ALCEDES D. JONES

9:45 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

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NOT GW BUSHES POLICIES BUT THE RONALD REAGAN'S ,I PRAY THAT EVERY MIDDLE CLASS AMERICAN WOULD GO TO " The Miller Center " AND RESEARCH JUST WHAT EVERY PAST PRESIDENT HAS DONE TO SEE JUST WHY WE ARE IN THE MESS THAT WE ARE AND REALIZE THAT WE ARE BEING USED ,AND WHOEVER IS THE PRESIDENT IS THEY WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO DO EVERYTHING THAT THEY THINK IS BEST BECAUSE EVERYONE DO NOT THINK LIKE THEM AND GREED IS OUR WORST ENEMY

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OMG

2:25 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Cj, they know what it was before Obama became the President so I don't know why they are acting like they were living the "good" life. Whatever President who would have come into office would have faced the same thing if not worse. All they want to do is cry and continue to make excuses because they are hateful people who can't admit and have problems with truth. Yeah Mitt will make it all better just vote him in and watch. Mitt was still having problems telling the American people what taxes he will cut and just as Obama said he's going to wait until he's in office and bullshit everybody that thought his word was bond. HE COULD NOT AND DID NOT ANSWER THAT QUESTION and seemed to veer off other important questions when asked. It certainly wasn't about who won and people sound so stupid and childish saying Mitt won. How? What did he say or was it because of his hype? Smh

four enough

11:27 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

The country lost. Too many preprogrammed responses. No class Obama. Feigned indignity about his people implied politicizing Bengazhi affair. Why else would they tout out the UN ambassador to the Sunday talkies? Then the Secretary of State covering for the president? What kind of garbage administration is that?

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Earnest

8:42 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Umm, I don't know what town hall you were watching, but the President of the United States took full responsibility and put none on the Secretary of State.

Touting the UN ambassador on the Sunday talk programs? You have a problem with expressing appreciation for someone that has served our country well and was killed in the line of duty for our country? Let me guess, if the Presidents administration didn't say anything about the ambassador, you would be complaining about that too?

The Illuminati

11:29 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

If Romney goes back on his promises then we fire his butt in four years too, but we can't give Obama a pass on his lies over the past four years. Obama blames everyone but himself.

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Earnest

8:51 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Sorry Illuminati, but the President has done a great deal of good for the United States. Our nations recovery is on track, with little if any help from Congress. The Tea party Republicans did not go to Washington to govern they went with the attitude of my way or the highway and the Republican Party leaders failed to educate them on what governing means and how it is supposed to work as established by our for fathers. It's called compromise.

The Illuminati

11:33 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

The whole Benghazi mess is just a microcosm of the ineptitude of this administration. Who is in charge?

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Robert

10:51 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

It pales in comparison to Iraq. Bush sent thousands of our men and woman to a war over oil on the false premise of WMD's. Now you criticize a president over a tragedy that happened in a country that is still embroiled in the remnants of a civil war. Bush got a second chance and so should Obama.

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kevin

11:28 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

The Benghazi "mess" Is important only in the insulated world of conservatives and fox news. Whining about who said what and when hours after the most fluid situation possible- an attack on the other side of the planet in a country coming out of civil war and in the middle of a nascent protest over a viral video- sounds like the same worthless criticism everyone gave Bush over still sitting in the classroom on 9/11. Quit your whining and focus yourself on more important topics.

Paul

11:49 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Trying to be as impartial as possible, Obama did better this time but I think the nod goes to Mitt.

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Earnest

8:31 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Did Romney tell us exactly what tax loopholes he would close yet? Did Romney release years of tax returns yet so we can see how much he really supports our country? Did Romney disprove all the credible economists who said his economic plan doesn't add up? Did Romney say he supports equal pay for women who do the exact same job as a man? Did Romney say that he supports a woman's right to privacy in their personal medical decisions with their doctor the same as men? Did Romney say what he would do when thousands of people loose their health insurance when he repeals "Obamacare"?

Linda Smith

11:59 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Based on information from the press and the candidates, I believe Obama will continue to improve the well being of this country. Oh and yes, if Romney dies while in office as president---I certainly would not feel comfortable having Ryan running this country especially after seeing his picture taken in a soup kitchen where he was there for only 15 minutes pretending to be washing clean pots and pans.

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Mike Shortall

12:16 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Yikes ... Joe Biden as President scares the bejesus out of me!

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Earnest

7:10 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

I saw the quotes from the good samaritans that volunteer at that soup kitchen. The meal had been served, everyone gone, the kitchen cleaned and the doors locked. As the real good samaritans were locking up they were talked into opening the doors by the Romney/Ryan folks so Ryan could pretend that he too was a good samaritan.

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Lisa

8:47 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Continue to improve the country...only if you are an entitled welfare deadbeat. I am tired of going to work to pay for people who choose to make babies they afford, sit on their butts instead of trying. We should have Workfare - you want welfare you pick work for your check (remember New York?). So tired of the Obama handouts...if you hand food out to a wild animal, they become dependent on it...this is not different. We have created a country chock full of entitled, lazy folks. obama will only continue to hand feed these folks and they will never make it without us going to work for them.

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kevin

11:43 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

@ Lisa- So you're tired of paying for people who make babies without being able to afford them, but you would vote for Romney and deny them access to birth control. Seriously? You're a woman who votes for Romney? So not only are you ignorant about people who don't look like you, (calling them wild animals- what's up racist) but apparently you'll vote against your own interest too. Enjoy your transvaginal ultrasound.

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Big Rob

6:32 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012

@ Kevin, cant afford a box of condoms?

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KevinP

8:42 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012

Since when does health insurance cover condoms anyway? Oh right...it doesn't. People need to get their facts straight.

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Big Rob

4:13 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012

@ Kevin, you are the one who posted " but you would vote for Romney and deny them access to birth control. " CONDOMS ARE BIRTH CONTROL

Mike

12:38 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Mitt knows this next 4 years will be a success with whoever is in office. The changes that pres O has made will ensure that. Pres Obama didn't triple the debt like the repubs and mitt like to say, it was fallout from the poor decisions of the past pres and no matter who was in office this term would be paying the bills of the last pres. Mitt is full of lies and changed positions, a true business man trying to make a sale...I'm not buying this one, no warranty coverage could pull us out of another 4 years of republican garbage.

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rob ph

8:18 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Typical no facts rhetoric from committed liberal unwilling to see the truth

Agnes

12:53 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Sounded like Romney told the woman that she could pick but not have all current middle class tax deductions - mortgage interest, child credit, education, etc.

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Brenda Peterson

8:38 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

What Romney "said" was that a woman could choose ALL or ANY of the deductions to a certain $$ amount, decided upon by her income...sounds fair to me!!

david

1:10 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

It was a close debate but Romney won because Obama has a poor record with nothing to stand on ,, Screws up on lybia blaming a u tube video we have to get rid of obama

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Earnest

7:39 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Fact: The President of the United States stated in the Rose Garden that it was an act of... Terror. Check the transcripts david.

As for the Presidents record: Kept us out a depression, saved millions of businesses and jobs by making sure the auto industry did not collapse, Lilly Ledbetter, the first President to make sure that more Americans have access to health insurance, closing the "doughnut hole" for that was hitting Senior's wallets hard, As Commander in Chief ramped up the hunt for the terrorist, bin Ladin, and gave the orders with great faith in our Seals to take out the #@#@! that killed innocent American citizens. His administration has overseen the elimination of many high profile terrorist. A record number of criminal illegals have been deported from the United States. This President has done more for our returning vets and their families than any other president in history. This President has cut taxes. Not only has this President had the courage to call those who have been responsible for 30 plus years of a massive divide of income in America, exposing the fallacy of "trickle down economics".

The list is much longer, but there just isn't enough space. Bottom line here is that the President was handed a disaster on a silver platter and he has managed to keep Americas head above water and turn the economy around with very little help from Congress.

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Tom

8:20 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Earnest ....YOU need to recheck your facts. The actual presidential transcript make it clear that Obama was doing his best to include the word “terror” without actually saying the incident was a terror attack. After mentioning 9/11, Iraq and Afghanistan, the president said: “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.” Then he moved on to the Libya attack. Get the correct, real facts, not the words that you chose to be fact.

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Brenda Peterson

8:39 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

If he stated in the rose garden that it was an act of terror...WHY did he go to the United Nations afterwards and state several times that it was a spontaneous attack caused by a video!!!!

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Earnest

9:13 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Tom - Act of terror vs terrorist attack.... Really? You are really stretching.

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Andrea405

7:39 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

People that still want Obama are living off taxpayers money. The problem is you want to vote for people that get freebies like OBAMA. YOU turn a BLIND EYE towards terrible economic news, DO YOU EVEN PAY for your GAS??? Then you never blame BUCK STOPS here for FOUR YEARS, Bush's fault. It's stupid and lazy like the welfare recipient you are. Obama never said how to FIX THIS JOBLESS, DEPRESSION ECONOMY. FOUR MORE YEARS OF SAME OL' SAME OL'. And then he'll still never take blame or call us racists when all races voted for him in 2008. Lazy and stupid. Romney knew his facts, is mature and hard working and is telling the American people about the Romney record vs. the Obama record.

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Wallst

7:54 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Andrea405 - what kind of drugs are you on? As an Obama supporter and business owner, I must say, you're delusional.

Wendy

1:42 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Gov. Romney is an excellent candidate but, theirs NO WAY he won this debate because he has only told 10% of the TRUTH. Romney needs to tell the truth about what was done under Bain Capital.

One question, what processes and procedures moved Education forward in MA?

If you care about Education...VOTE OBAMA...If you care about your healthcare...
VOTE OBAMA....If you are ready to move the UNITED STATES FORWARD WITHIN A GLOBAL ECONOMY......VOTE OBAMA & BIDEN IN 2012.

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Frank Cook

7:29 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

If you care about the teachers union, VOTE OBAMA, if you care about socialized medicine, VOTE OBAMA, if are ready to move the US forward to global economic depression, VOTE OMAMA & BIDEN in 2013.

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Tom

8:24 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Wendy = wrong
Frank = right

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Brenda Peterson

8:42 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

If you care about Education you will vote for Romney...as the economy has worsened more teachers have been laid off...it has hit my family...my daughter (a teacher with a master's degree) was laid off!!!! We need Romney to get the economy righted in order to help Education!

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anon

11:25 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012

Do you really think either President will be able to change the entire economy in 4 years and fix everything that has been messed up with it for years?

Sorry to hear about your daughter, but it's really not the President's fault entirely. PA would have been having economic problems regardless. People will always be laid off. It's a fact of life.

Howard McNeil

1:48 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Why would we as a country continue on a declining false pretense that the failed presidency of the Obama administration will be able to do anything but drive us into being another Egypt with the same Social Democracy that has failed time and time again. That's where Obama is leading his sheep, and I, for one, want to be no part of it. Any manager with a totally failed operatoin would be fired as a CEO. It's time to build a new America with a growth oriented leader that doesn't blame his shortcomings and bad decisions on everybody else.

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Larry S

8:58 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Romney and his neocon foreign affairs team will indeed lead us into Egypt and several other Mideast nations -- you know, the old WMD stuff. Romney tipped his hand when he will give the "Defense" Department more money -- even if the Pentagon didn't ask for it. No daylight between Netanyahu and Romney.

zoro mann

2:35 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Romney has "binders of women", scary. Those who blame Obama for Financial woes of last four years ARE NOT looking at the world economy. Greed is what caused finabcial crisis and the whole world is still struggling.

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Andrea405

7:44 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

No, SOCIALISM has caused financial crisis, which is the greed of a LARGE TAXING Gov't sucking the incomes of people dry and giving it to LAZY greedy recipients that vote for this LOSING ECONOMIC SYSTEM.

zoro mann

2:37 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Romney says anything to get votes. He lies. And lies.

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rob ph

8:20 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Um okay. That's the liberal talling point, yet no actual facts.

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Earnest

8:21 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

And when Romney needs to make sure he has women on his staff so he can later use those women in an attempt to prove he supports women's issues, he summons his staff to bring him binders full of women.

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Brenda Peterson

8:44 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Zoro - and just what were all of Obama's promises?????

zoro mann

2:45 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Romney keeps saying how great hisbrecord was in massachusetts and he tries to take credit for the University power house that Massachusetts IS. Romney was such a crappy gov he did not even try to run again and him taking credit for Their Colleges is like a Floridian trying to take credit for the sunshine. Massachusetts had great univerities BEFORE Romney and they are still great today DESPITE Romney's disaster.

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Earnest

7:46 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Massachusetts voters have made it clear that they do not support Romney and do not trust him. Balanced State budget... It's the law. Now look into HOW he balanced the State's budget and find out why the Massachusetts voters don't trust him.

Mitt has been laser focused on the Oval Office since he was in college according to his college buddies. He lied to the Massachusetts voters and, as he is doing now, withheld information about how he intended to govern. Did he not run for a second term because he would have been shown the door? Did he not run again because he could check off the title of Governor for his resume?

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Mary Mc

9:27 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

and you heard about the elevator that only Romney could use, to me he looked like a spoiled child last night interrupting and crying for his time. I cannot see how people are looking at this. Obama was given a large amount of problems to work on and he has stayed to the course inspite of being slandered and criticized from day one. He was told they are a party of "NO" and he will be a one term president. What a waste time by these elected teapartiers. Earnest listed a few of Obama's accomplishments. We are on the right course now, I would only vote for Obama. The republicans really have no candidate and Ryan, wow, really scarey. Women are you listening. Please.

Joseph Smith

3:37 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

How can anyone "win" a debate that is closed, sanitized, and rehearsed, a "so-called" debate in which the most critical issues are never raised, let only multiple solutions from multiple candidates provided? This is our country, and thankfully we do have options. Expand your vision of what is possible while two third-party candidates discuss their concerns and solutions for America.

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Ike

6:01 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

NO ONE WON. But we the peepole of the USA LOSTED.

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James Smith

9:42 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Just because you are a living definition of LOST, doesn't make it true for everyone.

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.

11:16 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Dude, you are the only one "LOSTED" here....

Bob

6:34 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Obama def won the debate, hands down. He controlled it and caught romney in a bunch of BS. Think romney won the 1st debate as well, obama just laid down on that one...haha.
Have the say it is sad that the GOP and fox news is harping on this Libya thing. It is offensive to the presidency. Same feelings of when the radical liberals kept blaming bush on his "secret reasons for oil and family revenge" for why we went into iraq for Saddam. You got to be really low or stupid to believe the president has our national security in a political game and not in our best interest...whether clinton, bush, obama, whomever. Cant see the value for the GOP to keep harping on the comments from the administration...they were progressing in our best interest with the information they had on hand. It is easy to point the finger in hindsight and from a distance. Stop making it us vs. Them and trying to fear monger...what a disapointment

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Fly On the Windshield

7:28 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Instead of pointing out the faults of the candidate you DON"T support, can everyone list the accomplishments of the person they DO support?

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JM

7:28 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Simple answer... $1.84 average then and $4.00 today! Numbers are the only truth in politics, and words can have many meanings. As a person that voted for Obama in 2008, I say it is time for a change. America please go by the numbers and vote Romney.

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William Passting

7:43 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

and what was the price of gas the summer of Bush's last term? you may not want to answer that. It was the highest it's EVER been. It has yet to get as high as it was under Bush. The only reason it was so low at the end of his term was because the Economy was hitting rock bottom.

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michelle

8:59 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

The president has absolutely NOTHING to do with the price of gas. Global markets dictate it. Commodities speculators dictate it. Why are Conservatives so confused about this issue...Do you not recall the collapse of the Bush economy. Gas prices fell from $4 in August to under $2 in January...along with massive job losses, housing price collapse, and stock market collapse.

JM

7:50 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

So what you are saying is that the economy basically has improved 100% ???

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William Passting

7:57 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

it has nothing to do with improving 100 percent, it has improved and the gas prices account for that. You haven't commented on the fact that prices were still HIGHER under bush.

john pirollo

7:57 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

obama is out of touch with the american people he cant match up to mitt romney . we need a change and mitt is it .

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William Passting

8:01 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

yes, we need to go back to what Bush had to offer... 800 thousand job losses a month his last 6 months instead of the 3 years straight of job growth under obama

Rush Limbo

8:06 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

4 more years of Obama and Mexico will be building a fence!

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Jamie Jenn

8:07 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Obama lost last night and will lose in November too.

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William Passting

8:09 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

that's funny, the instant polls say differently.

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Mike Shortall

9:52 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

The one "insta-poll" I like was the CBS poll on the Economy ... Among undecided voters 65% for Romney as better for the economy, 34% for Presidnet Obama.

JM

8:16 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Bush would have saved 4 American lives. Bush has not been in the picture now for 4 years, last time I checked it was Romney -VS- Obama.

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William Passting

8:24 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

LOL, that's is precious. He would have saved 4 american lives? You want to go there? How many lives could Bush have saved had he not IGNORED the warnings on 9/11? Let me guess, your not gonna blame bush for ignoring warnings cause that was clinton's fault? who exactly was in charge when this happened? Who ignored all the warnings? BUSH. so don't give us that crap about Bush would have saved 4 lives when BUSh couls have saved 3000 lives when he had the chance and ignored it. Not to mention the thousands of our own soldiers bush could have saved by not sending them to the wrong war.

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Earnest

9:07 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

You mean the way he saved the nearly 3,000 lives on September 11th after he was given the heads up that bin Laden was determined to attack inside the United States and he refused to listen to Richard Clark?

Romney is in bed with the exact same Neo- Conservatives that brought us the lies and the Iraq war. Romney is also in bed with the religious extremists of my Christian faith.

Romney's interests are not in the American people or the United States of America as he is not a man of conviction having been on both sides of every issue. Clearly, Romney's interest is in seeking a title for his resume.

Earnest

8:17 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Something very telling about Romney is his clear frustration when he does not get to control the event and conversation. He tried to usurp control of the event from Ms. Crowley, as he did in the first debate, but Crowley did a good job of holding her own and not letting him push her around.

The campaigns agree on the rules prior to the event. The agreement was that the candidates do not ask each other questions. Who broke that rule immediately? Romney, staying true to his elitist the rules don't apply to me life style. As well as another tactic to usurp the moderators control, because once he broke that rule both candidates could pose questions to each other.

Also, interesting was Romney's tendency to step into the Presidents space, a bully tactic, and to talk down to the President by saying things like "you will get your chance".

There is a level of respect that the Presidency of the United States has always been respected by the American people, but since President Obama's election the Republican Party / Tea Partiers have been the most disrespectful of our highest office in the land. Gone is the "It's anti-American to question the President in a time of war" mantra that we heard from them, when anyone dare to question the rush to attack Iraq or the poor handling of the aftermath.

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Mike Shortall

9:55 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Please ... Shall we revisit all the "respect" Liberals and Democrats showed for The Presidency during the Bush years?!?

Jimmy Beeker

8:33 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Yes, my vote is wholly dependent on who won the debate. Seriously? No wonder congress is so screwed up. Hold people accountable. If you say you're going to do something do it, or tell us why you can't or won't.

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JM

8:35 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Biden...I am sorry William. I do not believe that the lives lost on 9/11 should be in the same paragraph as your "LOL" comment. I guess everything is a joke to you Liberals.

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William Passting

8:40 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

yes, deflect from what I said, why don't you. I was LOLing at your asinine statement that 'bush would have saved '4' american lives' Because that is what is was, an asinine statement.

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Larry S

8:41 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Romney tried to argue that he is not G.W,Bush... Well, true, he doesn't have a Texas drawl, but otherwise he is Bush. Ready for another neocon war? The old team is ready once again to take over foreign policy affairs, and there are plenty of WMDs to "discover". Back to the future with Romney.

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William Passting

8:45 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

the thing is, if everything Romney wants to do WORKS like he claims it will, then George W Bush would have been the key not speaker at the convention. Why was he not even in the building?

Joseph Smith

8:45 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

From The Washington Times article, Oct. 17, 2012 regarding the second Presidential Debate by Seth McLaughlin
"Libertarian Johnson Calls Obama and Romney 'Big-Government Guys'

"Libertarian president nominee Gary Johnson said Wednesday the second presidential debate between President Obama and Mitt Romney was like watching "dueling Phil Donahue acts," and that the showdown underscored that both men are "fundamentally big-government guys."
The former New Mexico governor — who was shut out of the debate because of his low poll numbers — said Mr. Obama and Mr. Romney did not spell out the specifics of how they plan to balance the federal budget or strengthen the nation's immigration system.
"Behind the fuzzy math and the quibbling, there was nothing more than a commitment to continue the status quo — with at most a few minor adjustments. We don't need adjustments," Mr. Johnson said. "We need a fundamental reduction in the role and cost of government. ... "
"Where is the reasonable argument that government shouldn't be running health care in the first place?" he said. "On the attacks in Libya, the debate we must have is not over what we call it or when; we need a debate over why we were there at all."
"There are clear choices in this election, but they weren't on the stage tonight," Mr. Johnson said.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/oct/17/libertarian-johnson-calls-obama-and-romney-big-gov/#ixzz29YlMD5D5

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Charlie D.

8:50 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Calling all Dem's....don't forget to Vote on November 8th! If you need a ride, I'll volunteer to drive you to the polls.

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Andrea405

7:51 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

You're pickup station is at the cemetary and in the basements of the Chinese and Mexican restaurants. That's how the democrats win. They cheat the election rolls. But we digress from the debate, moderated AGAIN from a biased liberal media hack that gave the Democratic candidate AGAIN more talking time and less interrupting time.

Geoeray

8:51 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

To answer the question, it compares to the first debate by being a victory for the President.

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JM

8:52 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

William,
Asinine would be having someone not do their job for four years and not letting them go.

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William Passting

8:55 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

How about the republican's in congress who BLOCKED everything he tried to do with a RECORD number of filibusters, then blame him for not getting anything done? Not to mention the economy he was handed (By a republican, none the less). Compared to what he was handed, he did a pretty good job despite the OBSTRUCTION from the repubs who claimed that their number one priority wasn't fixing the country, it was making Obama a one term president.

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Bill

10:37 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Dem's always point to republicans blocking as the reason Obama can't get anything done. You would think that Obama has only been President for 2 years What is his excuse for the first 2 years when dem's had control of Congress & the Senate.

Roman Gabriel

9:18 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Obama had a super majority in both houses for his first two years. He could have passed anything he wanted. All he did was ram obama-care down our throat on the 730th day. He had two full years to address the economy, imigration, etc. and he did nothing. Its time for this socialist jerk-off to go.

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William Passting

9:29 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

it was for 134 days TOTAL. so stop repeating the fox talking points that it was 2 years.

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9:41 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Wow, you seem almost as flustered as Romney was last night. I am enjoying seeing many of the hard core right wingers come to the realization that Romney is going to lose in a few weeks. I expect the anger and hate to only get worst as their warpped world view is rejected by the American majority (again).

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Roman Garbiel On Meds

11:43 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012

Oh dear, William I am so sorry. You know, now that I have a clear head, I know that the Democrats actually NEVER had a supermajority. Never as in not one day! Sure, if you add them with independents, they had 34 working days, but that, i realize now that my meds have kicked in, is just fiddlesticks. Anywho, have a great day!

JM

9:24 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

This is why we need someone of Mitt's caliber to try to reach across the isle and get some real progress for our country.

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William Passting

9:30 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

LOL, reaching across the isle? Mitt Romney? Is this the same Mitt Romney that claims he 'reached' across the isle while governor of mass? the one with 800 vetoes in 4 years? That mitt romney?

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10:01 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Mitt's caliber? All he has done is be born the son of a very rich and powerful man. If you want to give him credit for not becoming a crack head and blowing everything he was GIVEN, that's your choice but truth be told, that goof ball Herman Cain was a better "business man", working his way up from the bottom. Mitt is a clown who was born on 3rd but think he hit a triple.

Sharpie

9:28 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Obama tried; it's the two-party system that is broken. Do the Democrats and the Republicans both a favor, and vote in a third-party candidate for President like libertarian, Gary Johnson. Start to dissolve the two-party system. Even they'll be grateful in the end. Get the country on the road again, not stuck in a long two-party detour heading nowhere-worth-going (even for themselves, let alone the rest of us). Fill your lungs with some fresh air, and allow for another possibility for everyone in the country. Vote Libertarian for one election.

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/

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9:38 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Just as Romney clearly "won" the 1st debate, Obama clearly won last night. The partisan hacks on both sides will try to spin things for their guy but in the end, it was pretty clear Obama disarmed Romney in the 2nd debate.

For the record, Joe Biden also destroyed Paul Ryan in their debate. The trend seems to be that if the Democrat stands up for himself against the Repbulican attacks, Ryan and Romney don't seem to have any recourse but if the Dems try to take the "moral high ground" like Obama did in the 1st debate, they will get run over. I expect Obama and Biden to stay aggressive the rest of the way, especially after seeing Mitt Romney get so flustered last night when his attacks weren't sticking.

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William Passting

9:43 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

LOL, breitbart.com? There's a unbias source for ya.
Why not post a fox news one too while you're at it. We all need a laugh

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Moe

9:55 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

The truth bites, doesn't it William? You can easily verify those facts if you choose to do so.

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9:58 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Moe, your guy is going to lose...barring Obama commiting a felony or getting caught cheating on his wife, Romney has NO CHANCE to win the electorial college. None. You can cut, paste, and parrot all the right wing talking points you want but this simple fact will not change.

The truth bites, doesn't it....

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William Passting

10:20 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

it has nothing to do with verifying facts. It has to do with bias reporting of said facts, not to mention that somehow miraculously the 10 worst lies of the debate were somehow all committed by Obama, how convenient.

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Moe

10:59 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Well Richard, keep getting all of your "facts" and talking points from the number one Obama fan site (P)MSNBC.

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11:14 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Moe, you'll notice it was YOU , not me who brought up MSNBC. I don't go to either them or Fox to get my "news" as both have clear bias. The simple FACT is Romney has next to no chance to win the electorial college barring an unprecedented miracle proving nearly every poll (from all sides) wrong. Hopefully once Obama is re-elected you and your elk with do one of three things:

1) Stop the hate and work with people from all sides to solve our nation's problems

2) Move out of the Country (to a new magical land with no taxes or problems)

3) Hang yourself from the nearest tree

I would prefer to see #1 but 2 or 3 are also fine with me....

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Earnest

12:32 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Breitbart's sight is not a non-partisan fact checking sight. It is an extremist partisan hack website.

Bill Ewing

9:56 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Romney came out with another new tax plan. How many is it now? At the last debate he said he would cut income tax rates but eliminate loopholes so the total taxes would remain the same. This time he said he'd keep the percentage of taxes paid by the top 5% the same but lower taxes for the middle class. If he lowers taxes paid by the middle class and doesn't increase taxes paid by the 5%, then the total of all taxes will be lower. In fact, that means he'll lower taxes for the rich, too because their same percentage will be based on a smaller total. 60% of 90 is less than 60% of 100. So what does that do for the deficit? Still no word on what loopholes and deductions he'll cut. He's making it up as he goes along.

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10:13 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Romney is a flip floping clown. If Obama was white (or Hillary), he would win in a complete landslide. The only thing keeping Romney in the discussion is the racism of scared blue collar whites, mostly in the south and rural areas. Obama wins in most of the suburbs and cities. Basically any place with a diverse population and/or people who are educated, Obama domanates the polls. You can't win a majority when your base is religous nuts, racist, and xenophobes no matter how many Mr. Burns like rich dudes throw their money at attack ads.

zoro mann

10:00 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Romney seemed awkward, his usual self and his answers had a pissy edge to them that yes came across as condescending at times. He was against assault rifles and now is for them and he did not convince me he has a plan despite his bravado and bold statements. He was a lousy governor and in business he lined his pockets and did not create jobs.

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10:06 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Once Obama made it clear he wasn't going to passively sit back and allow Romney to slander him as he did in the first debate, Romney became unglued. He tried to lure Obama into an argument and when he didn't bite, had no real response. Romney was as unprepared in this debate as Obama was in the first one. Now that both men have seen the other's "A Game", the 3rd debate should be the best yet. Unfortunately for Romney, it likely won't matter as he needed a resounding victory last night to have any shot on November 6th. Instead he took a resounding defeat.

Sharpie

10:12 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

UPDATE: Some good news -
Larry King will be moderating the 3rd party debate on
Free and Equal Elections, the first online Presidential debate
scheduled for Tues. Oct. 23rd, 2012 at 9:00 pm EDT at the Hilton Chicago.

“We are honored to have Larry King moderate this historic debate,” stated Christina Tobin, Founder and Chair of Free & Equal. “The previous debates between President Obama and Governor Romney have failed to address the issues that really concern everyday Americans. From foreign policy, to the economy, to taboo subjects like our diminishing civil liberties and the drug war, Americans deserve a real debate, real solutions, and real electoral options.”

Be sure to tune in next Tues., Oct. 23rd, 9:00 pm EDT

http://freeandequal.org/updates/larry-king-to-moderate-third-party-presidential-debate/

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10:18 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Huh? If neither Romney nor Obama are taking part, what is the point? Not for nothing but nobody has even heard of, much less cares what Jill Stein, Virgil Goode, or Rocky Anderson think about anything.

Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson is a good guy and should have been afforded more airtime but other than that, this Larry King show will be nothing more than a waste of time, watched by maybe 1% of the voting public.

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Jack Minster

11:18 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012

Correction, Sharpie: extreme liberal Bob Schieffer will moderate the third debate.

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Anthony Wayne

10:46 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012

Don't fret Sharpie, the world has plenty of sheep like Richard H and Jack Minster who delight in having their heads pushed in the sand and give thanks for the shade. The fact that most have not heard other ideas is the whole point. When the one party system controls the information, bad things happen. Just like Hitler's "brownshirts" who only did as they were told. Mob rule, better known as democracy, is what The Founders warned us against. They wrote and spoke often of its evils, and gave the world a Constitutional Republic, rule by law instead, not the majority, "if we could keep it" Fat, lazy, stupid, blind Americans can not keep it. Only Patriots, who speak out, who fight and die for what is right by law, can keep it, and it would appear by the actions of the American voters over the last 100 years, we are running out of them pretty quick. As our great experiment in Liberty fails for lack of support by the bloated fools, the majority, at the trough of democracy, their children and the world will know them for the cowards they are. My two cents.

Sharpie

10:55 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Romney and Obama were invited, although why exactly they would need more airtime when they are the only ones so far w any airtime is a mystery? You may speak for yourself, Richard, but people just might have minds of their own about whether they consider alternatives in this Presidential election. In fact, why don't you consider more for yourself, and your children and country than what you're being spoon-fed? Perhaps, that's the real waste of time. Try some tasting for yourself.

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Sharpie

12:45 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012

Hardly matters who they have moderating a mock debate that shuts out any other voices, and any actual air to breathe. Humanity is it's own worst enemy. Would be difficult to come up w an enemy more damaging to humanity than what it chooses to do to itself. Always choosing the low road - 250,000 years worth of human beings on earth, and what do we have to show for it? Look around you at what we have chosen to become as a civilization, and a nation, and what we have done to our jewel of a planet. For what? money that is disappearing? We threw away all our true wealth, our own integrity, and the natural resources of our abundant planet. We will be left w nothing but our money reduced to a handful of dust blown away on the last breath of wind. We will watch it trickle away just like our very souls.

Lisa Longo

11:20 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Actually, I think Mr. Romney was absolutely correct that workers should be able to work a flexible schedule.

He lied and flip flopped about everything else and he absolutely lost the debate. And honestly, saying that a flexible schedule is leaving at 5 so a woman can go home and make dinner let the real Romney slip out, and it was nice to see the real Mitt, if only for a minute.

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James Smith

11:41 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

It lasted longer than a minute. A interesting breakdown on what Mitt Romney said during the debate.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/17/romney-binders-full-of-women

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Cookie K

11:44 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Repubs have 2 parties...........The Tea Party and the Rest
I wonder how Romney would have handled the mess that Bush left........Considering, Obama tried to put out the biggest fires 1st. U can't win them all.......All our President is asking for is another 4 years to continue what he has started........Bush had that to get us where we were......remember the word bi-partisan has lots to do with it.......
As for choices of VP...........The repub's have this dude that is quite scary..........at least Biden makes one smile (LOL)

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11:48 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Not to mention that the Republican leader in the House, Mitch McConnell, said himself "My primary goal is to make Obama a one term President" just weeks after the 2008 election. Republicans care more about getting a white guy back in the White House more than helping the citizens of this nation.

Truthseeker

12:01 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

@Kevin; stop with the Romney "would deny birth control" to the people having babies on the public dime. Nobody is denying anybody birth control. A monthly supply costs about $9.00. If you can't afford even that then maybe you should reconsider your priorities. And yes I am a woman (independent) who is not buying this phony "war on women" trumped up by you Obama truth-denyers.

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Lizz

12:33 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

actually, some people have to pay a lot more than that....my insurance covers it so I pay $9.50, but I know some women who pay $60 a month for Nuvaring, which is much much safer and more effective than the pill or the shot.

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kevin

2:51 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

@Truthseeker- First, you're not fooling anyone by calling yourself an independent then using the phrase "Obama turth-denyer". It's painfully obvious where you are getting your information from- coughrushlimbaughcough. But you are right, it's not a 'war on women", but rather it's the fundamental mindset of conservatives. Romney's segment last night on pay inequality (binders of women) alone should have told you where your gender stands in the heart of a midieval party of white males. Plus Romney and his staff are on record as saying they opposed Obama's Ledbetter legislation. Do yourself a favor and pay attention to the debate.

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Narrah

3:22 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

@Kevin:
try to refute this:
http://youtu.be/Ro27bPKGttg
This Ad was done by REAL women, and exposes the lies o MoveOn.org, and Hollywood snots like Scarlett Johannsen, and Eva Longoria. Women who know NOTHING about Women's rights, because if they did, they wouldn't be supporting someone who has paid lots of $$$ to the Muslim Brotherhood, and condoned the actions of individuals who think its OK to shoot 14 year old girls who want an education, beat women, and rape little girls!!
Concerned Women for America Legislative Action Committee (CWALAC) unveiled an ad today which speaks the real voice of women and clarifies the real record of conservatives. They show the real truth of MoveOn.org and the Hollywood snots, and how they have defamed and slandered pro-life individuals, such as Romney. As CEO and President Penny Nance states: "Hollywood actresses don't speak for the women of this country, and these Hollywood actresses clearly don't understand the issues," The women of this country want to protect their religious liberties, which are being taken away by the current administration. And the women of this country are concerned about more than their 'lady parts' this election; they are concerned about our economy and our national security."

Keith Best

12:06 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Think about this.....Back in 2008, voters overlooked the fact the First-TERM senator who spent most of that FIRST-TERM running for another office, had no "Executive Experience, and before that he was a FIRST-TERM state senator who spent most of that FIRST-TERM running for another office.

Face it, Obama is a great campaigner....that's all he knows how to do.
We need Romney/ Ryan to fix this economy.

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Morgan King

12:34 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

And how, exactly, are they going to fix it?

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Watts

12:41 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

@Morgan

Don't bother with the bait that Keith Best posts. Never has anything real to say. Nothing of substance, no reference to facts and nothing to back up anything that he posts.

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1:06 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Meanwhile Romney has been running for President for the past NINE YEARS! Keith, your logic is not the "best".....

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Jack Minster

11:23 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012

Imagine that, Keith. The most important job in the entire world, elected by people who obviously cared nothing for the man's credentials and performance record. So we know it's not about that. It's a beauty contest, it's an infomercial competition.

Might as well let the American Idol or Voice judges pick our next President, since the electorate apparently has zero interest in the actual abilities and talent of the candidates to lead the free world.

Watts

12:39 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Even watching the Fox post debate banter, nobody was in denial about Obama's victory, except the ever delusional Sean Shammity.

Fact checking the debate and Romney's pants are on fire (and we are not even talking about the most obvious flub on stage regarding Libya)...

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/oct/16/fact-checking-town-hall-debate/

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Mary191

1:52 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

I am not crazy about either guy.... but women have a lot to lose with almost any Republican.

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Lisa Longo

3:46 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

@narrah, I can tell you who doesn't speak for the majority of women, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, and after last night, when we all got a good long look at the petulant pouting of Mr. Romney and his "binder of women" who need to be "flexible" so they can get home to cook dinner, well, I'm betting that lots us will be voting to reelect our President, who understands that equal pay is the issue, special treatment because we have ladyparts.

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Andrea405

8:23 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Wow, this is crude! Are you really a loving woman that has responsibilities to a family and not just to an employer? Since I'm an adult with a family, I may have to prepare dinner. No, I'm not barefoot, pregnant and chained to a stove. It's an adult responsibility to take care of people you love and teach children in a loving environment responsibility. I would love to have a boss like Mr. Romney who understands that!!!

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Andrea405

9:25 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Uh oh- even TIME magazine a very liberal magazine, which means they are going out of business is now reporting the FACT that women are not treated so great by Obama and his administration. Here's the article:
http://swampland.time.com/2011/09/21/the-white-house-boys-club-president-obama-has-a-woman-problem/

Feodor Tiorlenko

9:30 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

If the R's have a shred of credibility, why do they hate women, latinos and most Americans, but who also cannot tell the truth and need to rely upon legislation to suppress the vote.

Who exactly are you kidding? I have starting point. Let's require current photo ID with an expiration date to blog here.

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Sean Litz

7:34 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012

Every woman in the US should have been insulted by Romney's comments in regards to equal pay for women. How is giving women flexible hours addressing equal pay? And how condescending is it to assume that the most important thing to women is getting home in time to cook dinner for their families. The number of women that are CHOOSING to not get married and have a family are on the rise and is the new trend...he should know this and address it, not try to convince the public that the only right way to live is to conform to what he thinks is the right way to live. That is not the President's job. The President is in office to serve ALL people, not dictate the way he thinks they should live. Just as bad as Ryan implying that he will govern based on his religious views. There are over 300 types of religion practiced in the US today. You may believe as the candidate believe, but just for one second think about the rest of the country. These people are not being put into office just to serve one religion...for that matter, it's totally unconstitutional to govern based on religion, and Ryan admitted he would do just that. These men are not willing to serve ALL of the people...just the ones that think as they do. And if you don't think as they do they will jam it down your throat until you do.

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Jack Minster

11:10 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012

Sean, how do you explain the fact that Obama pays his female staff members 18% less than his male staffers, versus female employees at Bain Capital receive pay equal to their male counterparts?

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Morgan King

12:15 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012

Wait a minute - I thought Romney wasn't responsible for Bain capital since he left - China outsourcing, etc - and there were no female partners at Bain when he was actually there. Not that he, or Obama, have any real say over what salary their employees are hired for.

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Jack Minster

12:46 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012

Morgan,

I had let you in on the fact that Romney-Ryan lawn sign theft is a rampant problem in PA of which the state police are aware: you respond by saying "both sides do it." Are the state police aware of your evidence?

I stated a fact, considering I have two female relatives working at Bain: the corporation still runs under the Romney founding principles of equal pay for female employees: you obfuscate this but offer no refuting evidence.

Also you raise "outsourcing to China" - wait a minute - if you are criticizing a business about how it chooses to run its business, where is your criticism of President Obama and his administration outsourcing American debt to China? Are you a Bain shareholder voting for a Board of Directors, or a citizen voting for US President?

If you were elected President, Morgan, would you pay Sensata Technologies to keep their business in Ilinois to offset the lost profit Sensata would realize offshoring their labor? Or fine them for doing so? If you fine them and they close their doors because they cannot return an adequate profit to shareholders, would you consider that a win?

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Morgan King

5:15 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012

Sigh. Are you conjecturing that no Romney voter would ever take a yard sign? That's ridiculous. Of course I'm criticizing how they run their business, and I've opposed our nation's debt to China on here at every reasonable opportunity, though it's pretty absurd to lay that at Obama's feet - our economic problems with China go back to Nixon and Reagan. Offshore labor has been at the root of our current recession - the problem is much more systemic than a single company.

If you want refuting evidence of a lack of female partners during Romney's tenure at Bain, there's ample reporting on it only a quick Google search away:

http://www.boston.com/politicalintelligence/2012/10/16/fact-check-romney-record-hiring-women/r3gqpykaQudNNqigmLZfuJ/story.html

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Jack Minster

6:07 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012

Dog chase tail. You failed to answer the questions. Business owners assemble teams of the most qualified individuals. Again, are you a Bain shareholder or a voter for US President?

Obama pays his female staff 18% less than male staff, positions equal. Bain Capital pays equally to both genders.

Back to those questions...

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Morgan King

12:37 am on Monday, October 22, 2012

It seems, rather, that you simply fail to understand the answers. I hope you can see the cognitive dissonance of "female employees at Bain Capital receive pay equal to their male counterparts" and "business owners assemble teams of the most qualified individuals" when those individuals are almost exclusively men at the partner-level. Perhaps you've encountered the idea of the glass ceiling? There's more to this than equal pay for equal work, there's equal opportunity to advance, which is usually taken into account when discussing gender pay discrepancy. Let's a have a look at the FOX article about this '18% less' issue:

"In the Obama White House, for instance, the difference appears to be not that women are routinely paid less than men for the same job, but paid less because there's not as many women in the highest echelons as there are men."

Considering that, do you really think Bain's discrepancy isn't way higher than 18%?

Of course, as I said in my initial response, how does any of this have any remote bearing on the election? Who cares who was in charge of new hires during Romney's tenure at Bain, and who thinks Obama has anything to do with hiring and salary at the White House? This is a foolish distraction. All I was commenting on that it's pretty ridiculous reasoning to give Romney credit for the women employed at Bain since he left the firm while, at the same time, giving him no culpability for their business dealings since he left - pick one or the other.

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Jack Minster

8:54 am on Monday, October 22, 2012

As it is with the Sensata Technologies issue that you raised, it does seem to me that you agree with Obama's policies...believe the White House should micromanage the free market. Forcing businesses to employ only American labor. Forcing female hiring quotas at all levels. Fining businesses for not providing health insurance whether they yet can afford to or not. Taxing US businesses at higher levels than anyplace else in the world, but fining them for non-compliance with burdensome new regulations.

I see many Romney-Ryan signs popping up in front of small businesses where I did not see McCain signs in 2008. I see signs now on lawns of single mothers and dual-income households. I guess they don't want to move the country Forward into four more years of business owners on strike, rising prices, stagnant incomes, apathy and blame.

Jack Minster

11:26 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012

As a freshman Illinois state Senator, President Obama earned a reputation for voting "present" 130 times. Some say he couldn't make a Yes or No decision on tough issues.

With one notable exception. Senator Obama did make his mark by vigorously opposing legislation that would have provided equal protection for unborn babies who survive abortions. The legislation: “[Provided] that a live child born as a result of an abortion shall be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate protection under the law.”

The legislation was introduced after Jill Stanek testified in 1999 that, while working as a nurse at Christ Hospital in Illinois, infants who survived induced abortions were being left to die in a utility room.

Obama called an unborn baby "a fetus outside of the womb." Here is the actual audio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=YUkbuhXzbvI&feature=endscreen

Yet who among us feels it is acceptable to toss a viable human being into a closet to die, and would support a law which stops medical personnel on the scene from giving the healthy baby water and a warm blanket, some formula and a diaper and a soft pad to lay upon? (Lord forgive us.)

Obama. He voted for this four times.

Must-see short clip from a botched abortion survivor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwFIEprF_9Y

Seriously: Obama cares about women, not just about securing their votes? Really?

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Anthony Wayne

11:53 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012

I feel there is universal acceptance, or close to, regarding politicians lying during public statements just to get elected. The questions to me are 1. Why do voters accept the lies? 2.Why do voters vote for the liars? Surely you can not believe that only one party is guilty? Do you? There are other choices despite what the two liars tell you.

Met

11:29 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012

Hogwash Sean. I'm a single female and i wasn't insulted in the least!!! I stand for all women including those that choose to juggle a family and career. I have it easy, I can stay till 8 at nite. But i also recognize all the women that have a family. They have to get their kids to school, come home, cook, clean, do homework and get their kids to bed. A flexible schedule is a godsend to them.

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andthatsthetruth

1:05 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012

Most employers have already been initiating the flex time hours for females. It is not a newly created idea. Romney isn't that bright. He constantly tells you that he did well in his home state. That is many states shy to run a country. He thinks that all the things that he incorporated at home can be used at the USA government level. Which it can't. That was discussed on the topic of using coal.
The discussion about Libya should never have been brought up. How was Obama suppose to not breech security by getting into a debate about those facts? I feel that Romney has no idea how to handle the worlds problems. That can be seen by not following the rules for the debates. No respect for the President. Is this someone that we want to represent us in world affairs? The first time he disagrees with a world leader we will be in battle.
And birth control, abortion issues his religious beliefs will fog the correct moral thing to do. Having an option of what you can take tax credits for? There is no reality to that idea. This is not a fast food restaurant or wawa ordering screen.
Everyone needs to look further than there own party on election day. We all realize as US citizens that we have been snowed in prior presidents ( almost 20 yrs worth) and there is alot to handle. Obama has had alot on his plate. There is more to be finished or focused in the right direction. By not allowing him to continue we have lost 4 years of valuable reorganization after a bad recession.

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Jack Minster

9:44 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012

Foreign policy of "leading from behind" always playing defense, versus peace through strength.

Domestic policy of attacking businesses purportedly to strengthen the "middle class."

Blaming everyone and anyone for all failures except himself.

Pretending to care for the less fortunate while sinking them deeper into poverty, creating the deepest class divide this nation has ever experienced.

Trying to generate apathy among female voters to distract them from the reality of their declining quality of life caused directly by his policies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2pHszcC4JE

Obama. Go ahead. Blame Romney. Blame Bush. Blame prior Congresses. Blame everyone except our leader. Vote for more of that if you want.

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Anthony Wayne

11:06 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012

Flex time and birth control are two of the big issues facing Americans today. You are pathetic.

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Nick

9:21 am on Monday, October 22, 2012

Jack you are full of it. You spew Romney campaign progaganda as if it where truth.

"Domestic policy of attacking businesses purportedly to strengthen the "middle class."

Name the policy that attacks businesses? And tell us how that policty hurts business?

"Pretending to care for the less fortunate while sinking them deeper into poverty, creating the deepest class divide this nation has ever experienced."

The divide is born almost entirely of trickle down economics and absurd tax cuts for the wealthy. That is factual.

"Blaming everyone and anyone for all failures except himself"

More right wing hysteria. I think the appropriate comment is about the right refusing to acknowledge that it's ideology of tax cuts and massive spending have failed America.

"Trying to generate apathy among female voters to distract them from the reality of their declining quality of life caused directly by his policies "

Again, what policies? Republicans have slashed government employment, jobs typically held by women.

I think, Jack, you are nothing more than a coward who is afraid to admit he has it all wrong.

Jack Minster

1:27 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012

Libya very definitely needed to get brought up. You have Obama and Biden bragging at every opportunity, "Bin Laden is dead, GM is alive, and Al Qaeda is on the run." Spiking the football.

Then you have Obama's staff lying all over the media about a Muslim hate video for WEEKS. Obama and Congress knew it was a well-organized Al Qaeda attack of over 100 RPG-armed Al Qaeda soldiers, but chose to lie to the American people. Why? Because Al Qaeda has recovered and is actually growing in strength in North Africa and Iraq, and that wouldn't bode well with their political football spiking? The worst of it is, the four good Americans who are now dead repeatedly requested help IN WRITING. Obama administration told them to change their requests. Lt. Col Andrew Wood is telling the whole story on TV if you care to watch. This makes the Watergate cover-up pale in comparison: because of Obama's filthy political mindset, four of our best men were murdered.

Congressional hearings continue. Either before or after the election, all the facts will come out.

How was Obama suppose to not breech security by getting into a debate about those facts, you ask?

Sir you are confused.

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Anthony Wayne

6:25 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012

Libya was stable, and the oil money was spread around a little at least. Having him gone finds that country in anarchy, fueled by the weapons NATO terrorist conviently left behind. After the brief vacuum of anarchy, follows oligarcy, as it always does, ruled by the terrorist that started the insane process, us. Immoral behavior like this, sanctioned by the American voter, is disgusting, illegal, and unconstitutional. We need to be ashamed that we not only allow it to happen, but ask our own children and grandchildren to pick up the check. Wake up sheep!

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andthatsthetruth

9:08 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012

I will give you that. But do you think that the other candidate is able to accept the responsibility and handle it appropriately? I seriously doubt that will happen. I would not ever speculate that this would be a watergate situation. But everything else that pops out of the woodwork for the past 20 years has been a big surprise and heartache. It doesn't just start with this President although alot of suspicion is blamed here for something that happened years ago.There isn't very much that can be blamed on Obama it was already here. So this Libya is like the tiger that is biting him in the rear & Romney is running with it. Look what else the republican party has been part of all these years? Does that immediately get swept under the carpet & go away because it's now? All of us are paying dearly for a program 401K that took our money - lots of it & landed us with nothing in return. I've had pensions that went that way with nothing to compensate my retirement. I do realize that I am not the only one. We busted our butts to be employed only to have companies go out of business or bankrupt. I don't hear a word about what Romney is going to do for all of us in retirement age. He doesn't care, he has his slush funds & he is going to be comfortable in his old age. What about the 47% that has about lost everything? You think tent cities has been placed for emergencies, this will be another epidemic & it is coming, partially it here now.

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Nick

9:17 am on Monday, October 22, 2012

So Jack do you share an equally harsh view of the Bush Administration? On their watch 3000 Americans where murdered in NYC on 9/11/2001. Bush was handed intelligence warning of the attack and did nothing.

Forward a year, Bush and his cronies start blowing the trumpted to invade Iraq making false claims about chemical weapons and ties to Al Queda. $000+ American lives and billions of taxpayer dollars later we see that it accomplished nothing, and Bush and Co. knowingly mislead the Congress and the American people.

Did you vote for Bush in 2004? Then if so shut your hypocritical anti-American mouth. .

Anthony Wayne

5:04 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012

If Americans were forced to pay a war tax to fund our aggression instead of having the president call the fed and order up another billion or two printed on demand, the folly of our welfare-warfare state would end quickly. Would you ante up 5-20k extra on your 2011 return for the pleasure of murdering women and children for oil? Only by having control of the printing press is the federal government able to fund their insanity. The most sought after power mankind has ever lusted for, is the power over money. It has been so since the caveman times. American voters, especially since 1971, have handed over this most cherished power to the feds with hardly a wimper of protest. It's a national disgrace. Each passing year they hold control over the printing of fiat currency will delay the return to sanity. Each passing election that most Americans act like sheep in November brings us nearer to the point of no return. Its obvious that most Americans are still sheep, and will take what's coming with their traditional wimper, yet in doing so, will be despised by their children and grandchildren for their lack of vision, intelligence, courage, and morality. My two cents.

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andthatsthetruth

8:43 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012

In about 15 minutes from now we will see the 3rd and last debate for the Presidential election of 2012. It is based in a city where it is known to be"rich" people live. Obama is headed into the lions den. With Romney being so comfortable in his own environment. Voters need to wake up and hear exactly what the candidates are saying. Not what the comments have been from the side lines. Choices need to be made by themselves. Believe what you are actually hearing, don't twist the answers to suit your needs. A very serious time, 2 weeks to go.

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Sharpie

10:29 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012

Yes, well, let's not forget that we are NOT actually hearing any of the third party candidates tonight, some of whom will be on the ballot in 48 states. Rather hard to hear what is NOT being said or aired on television. And, that's the truth.

Remember King Larry will be moderating the real Presidential debates tomorrow evening, Oct. 23rd at 9:00 EDT on www.freeandequal.org. Please inform your fellow citizens about the Presidential debates tomorrow evening. All Americans deserve to hear from Presidential candidates who can technically win b/c their names will be included on most state ballots.

http://freeandequal.org/

Jack Minster

8:51 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012

LOL! West Palm is no different than any other place: a wide array of rich and middle and low-income citizens. You may enjoy this: http://slideshow.nbcnews.com/slideshow/news/swing-state-voters-sound-off-49480284?ocid=msnhp

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andthatsthetruth

6:56 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I did look at your http. it was very interesting. I guess it is very mixed opinion. Dave Letterman, all in fun said that 6% has not decided on who they are going to vote for. You made me remember the years of Ross Perot. That 6% could swing the election either way with the electoral votes. What Obama has done is throw the welfare/medicaid battle back to the individual states to resolve. I know that has not been discussed as a whole. Look at the decisions that Corbett has made. That in itself is another ball of wax. A comment was raised about more job losses and welfare rolls. How do these politicians think that people are going to help themselves when unemployment has mostly ended for the people still out of work and haven't returned to a regular substantial job like before. The welfare roll has to grow. That is a no brainer. It all has trickling effects.
The third party debate certainly will bring up the subjects that haven't been addressed and the viewers will then be able to compare the 2 major candidates overall. It's very important contribution to this election.

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